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Postby gluttonie » Wed Dec 26, 2007 10:13 am

Adrienna wrote: Most of the GOP candidates are pro-war, anti-abortion, oppose sensible immigration legislation, and love to spend our tax dollars on the military industrial complex.


I Can agree with that, but I also do not like the Democrats wanting to fund Welfare and other social programs.

I thing the Government should only be here to protect us from foreign invasion and provide a infrastructure (Roads, Electricity, Schools, etc), and set and enforce basic laws to keep the order and safety (drugs, prostitution, other religious morality laws are not basic laws to me)

Welfare, Social Security, laws to protect people from themselves need to be removed from our government. I know people will not like this but charity's, churches and family need to take care of their own its not my responsibility for them. Subsidizing business is also out, we are suppose to be a free economy let the market decide.

Though i do think all children under the age of 16 should receive free health care, after that they are old enough to take care of them selves or have there local social structure do it for them.

I don't know who i am going to vote for I might abstain the presidential vote, if there isn't any candidates that i like.
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Postby Prybutok » Wed Dec 26, 2007 11:10 am

Would you voting for her just because they are on the opposite party or do you actually find her campaign and values to be something you want in your leader?


Hilary Clinton's positions are not my favorites of the democratic pack but honestly they are better than every single one of the republican candidates. What it comes down to for me is the Constitution and the massive usurpation of powers by the current executive branch. I want those powers restored to their proper balance and I will vote for a candidate who promises to do that.

Most of the democrats running have promised to do so. Unfortunately Clinton isn't one of those and this is the main reason I dislike her. She will use the powers the Bush/Cheney have stolen and then we will forevermore have an imperial presidency. That is unacceptable and unamerican to me.

The only republican candidate to repudiate these powers is Ron Paul. While I find his stance on the war and poresidential power heartening, he is a full blown libertarian and will attempt to turn the country over to the control of corporations if he wins. We've already seen what decades of deregulation of corporations does so there is no way in hell I would ever vote for Ron Paul.

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Postby Grihm » Wed Dec 26, 2007 11:11 am

gluttonie wrote:
Though i do think all children under the age of 16 should receive free health care, after that they are old enough to take care of them selves or have there local social structure do it for them.



16? Wow. I would have been S.O.L. in high school when I kept getting sports related injuries. Not to mention the fact that you're invulnerable when you're a teenager...

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Postby Prybutok » Wed Dec 26, 2007 11:11 am

Rathic cryptically says,

im sorry for you pry.


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Postby Prybutok » Wed Dec 26, 2007 11:14 am

I think we should have government funded healthcare for every single person in the country. I think of it the same as education, a necessity if you want a robust successful country.

Durger, do you think we should get rid of public education too? It's just welfare afterall.
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Postby Prybutok » Wed Dec 26, 2007 11:16 am

Adrie says,

Giuliani is the only GOP candidate that I can half way stand, so I might consider voting for him.


If you don't like the way the country is being run right now, you might want to look twice at Giuliani Adrie. If anything he is more imperial than Bush and is the least likely to return the United States to the balanced representative democracy it once was.
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Postby gluttonie » Wed Dec 26, 2007 12:16 pm

Prybutok wrote:Durger, do you think we should get rid of public education too? It's just welfare afterall.


Actually if you read my post I stated school as one of the infrastructures that government should provide. And I don't consider that welfare in the least; education especially in a technological world generally cannot be achieved with homeschooling alone. In fact I don't mind spending my money on the children of America at all hence the children should have full health care mentality. but adults are that adults and are not my responsibility or my financial burden.

And I don't think "everybody" should have universal heath care only the children, that system doesn't work. All that will happen we will get on waiting lists to get serious medical issues resolved fuck that. If you want socialism or communism ideals you should move to a country that supports that. Your family unit, church, other social networks should help you if you need help to afford insurance not me.

And yes Grihm you would have been SOL if you or your parents didn't obtain health care of some kind. but then again 18 would be acceptable for me also is was thinking 16 because i would want to lower the drinking age to 16 and raise the driving age to 18. but if I was to have to use my taxes on children till 18 then it would be drinking at 18 and driving at 21. I think people need to get drinking out of their systems some before they are allowed to drive.
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Postby Doomsayer » Wed Dec 26, 2007 12:42 pm

gluttonie wrote:And I don't think "everybody" should have universal heath care only the children, that system doesn't work. All that will happen we will get on waiting lists to get serious medical issues resolved fuck that. If you want socialism or communism ideals you should move to a country that supports that. Your family unit, church, other social networks should help you if you need help to afford insurance not me.


the irony is that the nations with national healthcare have better care, higher quality of living and lower infant mortality than us. but dont take my word for it feel free to go to gapminder.org and see for yourself how well healthcare is working out for us compared to our fellow democracies.

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Postby Doomsayer » Wed Dec 26, 2007 12:44 pm

oh, the idea that national healthcare would be worse for us is an idea planted in your mind by pharmacutical firms and insurance firms who'd stop raking in assloads of money fucking us all over for a basic need.

hippocratic oath my left ball, it should read ...to do no harm so long as you can afford insurance...

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Postby Kommisar » Wed Dec 26, 2007 12:47 pm

Here are a couple interesting facts about Health Care in the US:

1) The US is the only country in the G8 (the group of "industrialized" nations) in which all citizens are not provided with basic healthcare by the government or government regulations.

2) The US is the only country in the G8 in which Health Care is a for-profit industry.

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Postby Adrienna » Wed Dec 26, 2007 1:04 pm

Concerning health care, we should really ask ourselves why we spend more money than any other nation on health care, yet the system sucks as badly as it does.

I don't necessarily support or oppose universal health care, because I haven't done enough research on the pros and cons. But why are we spending so much money on it? Where does that money go? Politicians know the system is broke, yet they do nothing to fix it. One side argues for universal health care (which they would probably use to justify a tax increase) and the other side is opposed to socialized medicine (but they won't acknowledge the enormous amount of tax dollars that go into it already). When they want to lower costs, they propose taking away from vets and seniors. Seems to me that we lose either way.

Your family unit, church, other social networks should help you if you need help to afford insurance not me.


This just doesn't make any sense to me. I don't think that people should have to have wealthy family members or associated with a religious organization (I'm an atheist, btw) to receive basic medical care. Alot of young people (18-25 or so) work their asses off for jobs that give them 38 hours a week. These people are trying to be independent, trying to make an honest living, but alot of employers won't offer 40+ hours a week so they don't have to give out any benefits. One of my sister's friends who is working an honest job (construction or something similar) recently had his appendix burst. He doesn't have insurance, and now owes the hospital some horrendous amount of money. Like the kind of money you could use to buy a new home.

So is that your answer to young people who try to make it on their own and are victims of circumstance?
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Postby Veratu » Wed Dec 26, 2007 1:07 pm

What it all boils down to is... I like pie.

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Postby gluttonie » Wed Dec 26, 2007 1:26 pm

Doomsayer wrote:the irony is that the nations with national healthcare have better care, higher quality of living and lower infant mortality than us. but dont take my word for it feel free to go to gapminder.org and see for yourself how well healthcare is working out for us compared to our fellow democracies.


I will have to take a look at the site I just took a glance but looks interesting.

Look I know i am a minority here and my thinking is not happy happy joy joy, I am not looking for a utopia. I just want the government to stop taking my money and giving it to another adult, business, and using it to spread its influence and ideals to other nations.

Heck I could be talked in to a basic health care for all where they are only allowed to go to government run clinics and hospitals (except in life or death emergency) and the rest of us that choose to purchase for-profit insurance and can choose the health care we want in for-profit hospitals.
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Postby gluttonie » Wed Dec 26, 2007 1:42 pm

Adrienna wrote: I don't think that people should have to have wealthy family members or associated with a religious organization (I'm an atheist, btw) to receive basic medical care.


I am not implying you have to have a wealthy family or be religious, i also said social networks such as chartable organizations (Red Cross, Salvation Army...) before the great depression this is how people where helped not by the government.
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Postby gluttonie » Wed Dec 26, 2007 1:44 pm

Veratu wrote:What it all boils down to is... I like pie.

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I like pie also! pumpkin with ice cream,

V I want to see what the two bulldog pups look like now.
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