Made me laugh... wasssup!
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Did you really fall for that socialism BS?
Don't be gullible. Learn the facts and then make up your own mind.
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-from wikipedia
Watch Stephen Colbert interview the REAL Socialist party candidate:
http://www.colbertnation.com/the-colbert-report-videos/189688/october-28-2008/socialist-candidate-for-president---brian-moore
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-from wikipedia
*****"with the top 10% possessing 80% of all financial assets [and] the bottom 90% holding only 20% of all financial wealth."*****
3. The oil companies are making so much money, they can't spend it fast enough. Is it right that people have to decide what's more important: putting food on the table or gas in their car, when Chevron and Exxon are both raking in record profits? Is that the "hard earned money" you were refering to?
http://money.cnn.com/2008/10/31/news/companies/chevron_earnings.ap/index.htm?postversion=2008103109
http://money.cnn.com/2008/10/30/news/companies/exxon_earnings/index.htm?postversion=2008103015
I totally respect your right and decision to vote for McCain/Palin (if that is what you are doing), but for the love of god, know the god-damned issues.
Disclaimer: my useage of the word "god" does not in any way, shape or form indicate that I am anything but an atheist.
Don't be gullible. Learn the facts and then make up your own mind.
1.
Socialism refers to a broad set of economic theories of social organization advocating state or collective ownership and administration of the means of production and distribution of goods, and the creation of an egalitarian society.[1][2] Modern socialism originated in the late nineteenth-century working class political movement. Karl Marx posited that socialism would be achieved via class struggle and a proletarian revolution which represents the transitional stage between capitalism and communism.[3][4]
-from wikipedia
Watch Stephen Colbert interview the REAL Socialist party candidate:
http://www.colbertnation.com/the-colbert-report-videos/189688/october-28-2008/socialist-candidate-for-president---brian-moore
2.
Wealth inequality in the United States refers to the unequal distribution of financial assets among residents of the United States. Wealth includes the values of homes, automobiles, businesses, savings, and investments [1]. Those who acquire a great deal of financial wealth do so primarily through the appreciation of fiscal portfolios. For this reason, financial wealth involves only stocks and mutual funds, and other investments and is subject to much greater inequality than net worth alone. Various sociological statistics suggest the severity of wealth inequality "with the top 10% possessing 80% of all financial assets [and] the bottom 90% holding only 20% of all financial wealth."[2]
-from wikipedia
*****"with the top 10% possessing 80% of all financial assets [and] the bottom 90% holding only 20% of all financial wealth."*****
3. The oil companies are making so much money, they can't spend it fast enough. Is it right that people have to decide what's more important: putting food on the table or gas in their car, when Chevron and Exxon are both raking in record profits? Is that the "hard earned money" you were refering to?
http://money.cnn.com/2008/10/31/news/companies/chevron_earnings.ap/index.htm?postversion=2008103109
http://money.cnn.com/2008/10/30/news/companies/exxon_earnings/index.htm?postversion=2008103015
I totally respect your right and decision to vote for McCain/Palin (if that is what you are doing), but for the love of god, know the god-damned issues.
Disclaimer: my useage of the word "god" does not in any way, shape or form indicate that I am anything but an atheist.
It's a fledgling Anna's Hummingbird.
Just out of curiosity, what is it thats so appealing about Obama to you folks that plan on voting for him? And answers like "its not 4 more years of Bush" dont count. What specifically do you believe Obama will do to make our country better? I'm not saying McCain is any better. I personally believe both are poor choices for our next country's leader. Seriously, its almost as bad as Bush vs Kerry. I just want to hear out the liberal side of things.
Kyokan wrote:Just out of curiosity, what is it thats so appealing about Obama to you folks that plan on voting for him?
Socialism ideals when times are tough? the movie stars like him? I don't know personally but very few people i talk to actually like either of the candidate but they will never vote for a third party (throwing away the vote comment). so it really doesn't matter our voting system is broken and witch ever candidate wins will not get anything they want done because of the other party in congress will kill everything they stand for.
Where did all the good sizzle go?
First off, Obama is not a Liberal, or even a Progressive.
He's a Centrist.
Now myself, as a fairly liberal and progressive leaning person, would rather have Dennis Kucinich as president, but that won't happen... at least not this year.
So what do I like about Obama? I've listened to him, and read The Audacity of Hope. He has a very grounded set of beliefs. He has a remarkably sensible approach to solving problems.
Take energy policy. We need to move to renewable energy, and away from oil, especially foreign oil, for a number of reasons (climate change is real and needs to be worked on, sending lots of money to countries that fund the people that want to kill us is stupid, etc).
Now, most Republicans seem to want to "Drill baby, drill" to solve our energy problems. However, we won't see any oil production from new offshore drilling for at least 5-10 years, and the amount of oil available to us off the shores of the US or in places like ANWAR won't sate our thirst for petroleum products for more than a few years at best. So clearly we can't just drill out way out of this issue. We need a movement towards renewable energy, and it needs to come soon (frankly, it needed to come about 8 years ago, but that's what we get for voting for the guy we'd rather have a beer with).
But if opening up more coastline for drilling is the only way to get Republicans on board with a solid renewable energy plan... isn't that worth the cost?
That is how the man thinks.
So that's what I like about Obama. Now, if you ask me about why I don't like McCain, I can make several more wall of text posts... I mean, do you really wanna vote for the guy who came in 6th from the bottom of the class he was only in because of his father and grandfather, or the guy who got into Harvard on a scholarship and didn't even mention that he was black on his application?
He's a Centrist.
Now myself, as a fairly liberal and progressive leaning person, would rather have Dennis Kucinich as president, but that won't happen... at least not this year.
So what do I like about Obama? I've listened to him, and read The Audacity of Hope. He has a very grounded set of beliefs. He has a remarkably sensible approach to solving problems.
Take energy policy. We need to move to renewable energy, and away from oil, especially foreign oil, for a number of reasons (climate change is real and needs to be worked on, sending lots of money to countries that fund the people that want to kill us is stupid, etc).
Now, most Republicans seem to want to "Drill baby, drill" to solve our energy problems. However, we won't see any oil production from new offshore drilling for at least 5-10 years, and the amount of oil available to us off the shores of the US or in places like ANWAR won't sate our thirst for petroleum products for more than a few years at best. So clearly we can't just drill out way out of this issue. We need a movement towards renewable energy, and it needs to come soon (frankly, it needed to come about 8 years ago, but that's what we get for voting for the guy we'd rather have a beer with).
But if opening up more coastline for drilling is the only way to get Republicans on board with a solid renewable energy plan... isn't that worth the cost?
That is how the man thinks.
So that's what I like about Obama. Now, if you ask me about why I don't like McCain, I can make several more wall of text posts... I mean, do you really wanna vote for the guy who came in 6th from the bottom of the class he was only in because of his father and grandfather, or the guy who got into Harvard on a scholarship and didn't even mention that he was black on his application?
For me, it's mostly about the issues. I have to admit, however, that his choosing of Palin as his running mate pretty much ruined any chance he would have had for getting my vote. I personally think she's an idiot. And she is too religious. I'm an atheist, and I believe in 100% separation of church and state. The word "God" should never leave a politician's mouth in public. They did the math, and said that statistically speaking, there is a 20% chance that she would be president in the next 8 years if they were elected. That signed the deal for me.
Religion - I will almost always not vote for the candidate that the religious right supports. Not because the candidate is religious necessarily, but most of the time I strongly disagree with their stance on social issues.
Abortion - I will never vote for any candidate that supports overturning Roe vs. Wade. Also, supposedly the next president will be appointing at least one supreme court justice. I don't want to take a chance that another conservative will be appointed.
Military - As a combat vet, I do not support the war in Iraq. I want our troops home. I do, however, support the work we do in Afghanistan. I think we spend too much money on the military industrial complex, and that money can be better used right here at home.
Education - I like Obama's idea of a program that lets students earn money for college by working in civil service.
Foreign Policy - I like Obama's ideas of diplomacy first, and aggression/bullying as a last resort.
Gun Control - I believe in more restrictions for non-hunting weapons (i.e. handguns, assault weapons, armor piercing bullets). I love guns, I love going to a shooting range with a handgun, but I don't think they have a place in our society. Children and innocent people die every day as a result of handguns. The only purpose a handgun has is to kill people, plain and simple.
Health Care - a $5000 tax credit doesn't do anything for my 23 year old sister that makes probably less than $20,000 a year working as a security guard at the mall. She rides a bike to work because she can't afford a car or insurance. I don't even know how the $5000 tax credit works for people who don't itemize their deductions.
Same Sex couples/Transgendered Issues - Obama fully supports civil unions that give equality in health insurance, employment benefits, and property and adoption rights. I also support same-sex marriages, but you can't win them all.
There's a bunch of other issues, but those are the most important to me. But just to be clear, I do not hate John McCain. There was a time many months ago that I would have seriously considered voting for him. What changed my mind was his choice in running mate (as described above), and the way his campaign has been run. I have alot of respect for him, and I think he is an honorable man, but he made alot of poor choices running his campaign.
Religion - I will almost always not vote for the candidate that the religious right supports. Not because the candidate is religious necessarily, but most of the time I strongly disagree with their stance on social issues.
Abortion - I will never vote for any candidate that supports overturning Roe vs. Wade. Also, supposedly the next president will be appointing at least one supreme court justice. I don't want to take a chance that another conservative will be appointed.
Military - As a combat vet, I do not support the war in Iraq. I want our troops home. I do, however, support the work we do in Afghanistan. I think we spend too much money on the military industrial complex, and that money can be better used right here at home.
Education - I like Obama's idea of a program that lets students earn money for college by working in civil service.
Foreign Policy - I like Obama's ideas of diplomacy first, and aggression/bullying as a last resort.
Gun Control - I believe in more restrictions for non-hunting weapons (i.e. handguns, assault weapons, armor piercing bullets). I love guns, I love going to a shooting range with a handgun, but I don't think they have a place in our society. Children and innocent people die every day as a result of handguns. The only purpose a handgun has is to kill people, plain and simple.
Health Care - a $5000 tax credit doesn't do anything for my 23 year old sister that makes probably less than $20,000 a year working as a security guard at the mall. She rides a bike to work because she can't afford a car or insurance. I don't even know how the $5000 tax credit works for people who don't itemize their deductions.
Same Sex couples/Transgendered Issues - Obama fully supports civil unions that give equality in health insurance, employment benefits, and property and adoption rights. I also support same-sex marriages, but you can't win them all.
There's a bunch of other issues, but those are the most important to me. But just to be clear, I do not hate John McCain. There was a time many months ago that I would have seriously considered voting for him. What changed my mind was his choice in running mate (as described above), and the way his campaign has been run. I have alot of respect for him, and I think he is an honorable man, but he made alot of poor choices running his campaign.
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Adrienna wrote:Abortion - I will never vote for any candidate that supports overturning Roe vs. Wade.
There was a time many months ago that I would have seriously considered voting for [McCain].
Huh?
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Yeah, I don't know what I was thinking. I was obviously under the misconception that McCain supported a woman's right to choose. I thought he was more moderate, you know, the "maverick" of the conservative party. I was wrong. This was like a year ago when I was buying my stuff for last Halloween and I didn't know much about any of the candidates. I was still learning about the candidates and didn't know where he stood on the issue. Now I know.
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